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Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:10 pm

Lately, I've been exploring genetic testing and the possible implications for current and possible future generations in my family.

My clinical diagnosis came 10 years ago...the first known case in the family. lately this was confirmed by genetic blood testing.

With this knowledge, I had several dicussions with family members on the topic.

All of a sudden "BAM".....there was the topic I never even considered. My paternity was questioned! My father for 40 years needed to talk with me.

As I write this, i'm already devastated at the possibility. I'm not sure I'm prepared for where the world of genetics might take me. Do I really want some of the answers that might be waiting for me?
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby npp33 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:15 pm

Whoa, that is nuts. Have you talked to him yet???
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:56 pm

Yea, we talked for awhile. I also had a chat with my mother. She says beyond a shadow of a doubt...he's my father. My father began to raise me and my brother in a different city when I was 3 or so. She says she lied to my father years ago to try and get us back. My father vowed at that time to simply take the thought to his grave with him....and never told me until I started to "dig" around into genetics and raise legitimate concerns. His recent blood tests for the fibrilin mutation were completely negative.

I would have bet everything I owned, that the defective gene was coming from my fathers side of the family. Currently there are a few family members with aortic roots being watched. Both my father and his mother have aortic anyerisms being watched and are close to surgical threshholds.
On his side there have been several very tall, marfan featured relatives. (according to family photo's) I truely thought I had it nailed down to where it was coming from!

It just hit me like a ton of bricks...the only possibilities that exsist. My mother has absolutly no marfans features or related medical issues. If she tests negative for the gene.....it could either be a case of ( 1:4 spontaneous mutation of a 1:10,000 disorder)....or the thought of paternity may nag my thoughts for the rest of my life.
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby npp33 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:00 pm

I'm lost ... so your mother insists that the man you've thought to be your father is indeed your father, but the seed of doubt is coming from a lie she told many years ago about your father actually being someone else?

Assuming I understand it correctly ... Is there any reason to doubt what she is saying now?
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:11 pm

Your understanding is perfectly correct.

I don't think my mother would intentionally lie to me. She apologized for the lie she told and cried....saying OMG, she couldn't believe that lie could cause anyone pain after so many years. Who would have thought....

My father is my everything bro....always been there for me, and I mean ALWAYS! My mentor...my source of pride, just absolutly everything.

I briefly paused and asked myself...perhaps I should just drop everything here and now while I may have the chance? Genetics might end up being more than I can handle...if you catch my drift.
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby npp33 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:14 pm

I can't tell you what choice to make, but even if your father isn't your biological dad, it doesn't make him any less of a father. In my book, fatherhood is 1% genetics and 99% perspiration. It's cliche, but it's true.

In light of that statement, I'd pursue the genetic testing. I don't normally advocate it, as you know, but you are a special case.

Either way, Godspeed...!
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:26 pm

I wonder how many times I'll ask myself when I look at him from now on? I guess it doesn't take much for a "seed of doubt" to be germinated.

Of course...biological or not, the respect, admiration and love doesn't diminish at all. I would actually admire him more for raising me as his own with the question "in his mind".

Sorry for getting deep into it....
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby tesla77 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:25 pm

Marf...this is what i wanted to warn about regarding the genetic test. your father HAS an aortic aneurysm.....thats too coincidental for there not to be somne issue here.

They might not have found the fibrillin mutation in your father because as I said THE TEST IS NOT VERY ACCURATE.

Alot of people are under the false impression that the genetic test is accurate (they think of DNA testing form criminal investigations) this is not the case !!!

There are thousands of fibrillin gene mutations and they dont even know all of them yet...so to say he is negative may not be accurate !! The test may be up to 60% in-accurate..

Try to keep that in mind...dont let this drive you nuts
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:19 pm

I somewhat understand some of the downfalls of working with the FBN1 gene, and the testing.

I know it's possible my father could have other genetic issues involving his aorta.

I know it's possible for people to show a mutation in FBN1, but not exibit physical symptoms of marfans and vice versa.

For our purposes..would the family genetic linking not be accurate? I guess I'm assumming that if the disorder is inherited, then the same markers show up? (regardless of symptoms in related individuals)
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby tesla77 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:28 pm

Its so complicated that its tough to even get the mind around

One possibility is that the mutation that they found in you is not the one causing the disease...perhaps you have a mutation somewhere else on the fibrillin gene that is causing your disease...your father may have the same mutation but it wasnt looked for in the screening.

The fact that your father is symptomatic is far to coincedental for him not to be your biological father....that would just be CRAZY...of course its possible but it would just be too crazy to believe.

Keep in mind that the fibrillin gene can be mutated in 1000 different places...they dont know for sure which ones cause the disease......thats why im not really for the test...it can lead to very confusing results...dont try to follow ABC logic on it because it dosent work that way at this point.
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:43 pm

For certain there are many possible variables. My interest in genetic testing is for the sake of finding out if the condition in me is spontaneous or inherited.

My father's one and only related symptom is a dialated aortic root.

My genetic analysis states it looked at all 65 exons of FBN1. Results show a c.2648G>, a transition in exon21. Surely they would have mentioned any other findings in the same gene.

I havn't seen my father's analysis report...but my genetic clinic advised me that he does not have the FBN1 mutation they identified in me. I'm now wondering if he showed any different mutation....just not the same markers as me???
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby tesla77 on Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:02 am

This is difficult to try to get into with some one who is not a biologist...ect ...because its hard to explain in laymens terms..hmmm how to do this without boring science bull crap :D

Lets start with the idea that before you know if a gene is mutated...you have to know what the normal gene looks like. Most scientist caution against the genetic Marfans diagnosis because this has really not been done.

There was no extensive work done on the fibrillin gene prior to the Marfan syndrom connection and then a bunch of hasty work was done on MARFAN patients and a very small set of controls...thus there are still some VERY important questions that remain to be answered

1. How prevelant are these point mutations in the general public ?
2. a c.2648G>, a transition in exon21 may be found in high prevelance in Marfan patients...BUT it may also be idetified in the normal public. Where is the data to show how prevelant this mutation is in normal individuals ????????? That wasnt done for some odd reason.

3. What do the fibrillin mutations really do ??? Are they responsible for the full phenotyope or just part of it. For example fibrillin mutations have been found in people who are simply tall or have isolated skeletal features http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7738 ... t=Abstract

4. People develop full Marfan syndrome without ANY identifiable fibrillin mutation...infact up to 60% of Marfan patients will test to have normal fibrillin genes.

In one major study of 94 Marfan patients (ghent criteria diagnosed) ony 66 of them were found to have fibrillin mutations on any exon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1170 ... t=Abstract. So roughly 30 of them HAD NORMAL FIBRILLIN GENES BUT THEY STILL HAD MARFAN SYNDROME

LOOK HERE IS MY BELIEF ON THIS THING. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE FIBRILLIN PROTEIN IS INVOLVED IN MARFAN SYNDROME AND THAT A MUTATION IN THIS GENE MAY BE CONSIDERED TO BE OF A HIGHER PREVELANCE THAN NORMAL. BUT IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT THE RESEARCH THAT THERE IS MUCH MUCH MORE GOING ON HERE THAN JUST THE FIBRILLIN GENE. THE FACT THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE FULL BLOWN MARFAN SYNDROME WHILE HAVING NORMAL FIBRILLIN GENES AUTOMATICALLY AND DEFINATIVELY DISQUALIFIES THE FIBRILLIN GENE MUTATION AS THE SOLE CAUSE OF MARFAN SYNDDROM. DOWN THE ROAD MANY MORE MUTATIONS AS WELL AS POST TRANSLATIONAL MODIFICATION ERRORS AND ERRORS IN GENE ACTIVATION WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS THE REAL CAUSE OF MARFAN. TRUST ME THE FIBRILLIN THING IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICE BERG

AS AN EXAMPLE....PEOPLE WITH MARFANS AND NO FIBRILLIN MUTATION MAY HAVE UP REGULATION OF THE MMP-9 GENE...WHIS WOULD LEAD TO ABNORMALLY FAST BREAKDOWN OF NORMAL FIBRILLIN AND HIGH TGFB AS A RESULT !!!! THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE SAME PHENOTYPE....THERE IS ALSO EVIDENCE THAT NORMAL FIBRILLIN MAY JUST NOT BE GETTING INTO THE EXTRACELLULAR MATRIX PROPERLY DUE TO A MUTATION IN ON OF A MILLION OTHER PROTEINS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS...END RESULT IS THE SAME PHENOTYPE.

WHAT COULD BE GOING ON WITH YOU AND YOR DAD IS THAT ANOTHER MUTATION OR UP REGULATION OF AN NORMAL GENE ECT...IS CAUSING THE DISEASE PROCESS OF AORTIC ANEURYSM...WHILE YOU JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A MUTATION IN ONE OF THE EXONS OF THE FIBRILLIN GENE THAT ARE GIVING YOU ...NOT HIM THE SKELETAL MANIFESTAIONS. THAT PARTICULAR MUTATION MAY HAVE SKIPPED A GENERATION, BE SPONATNEOUS OR CONTRIBUTED BY THE MOTHER...WHO MAY HAVE NO SYMPTOMS WHAT SO EVER....ALL THE WHILE THE REAL CULPRIT REMAINS UNIDENTIFIED....
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Melissa on Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:13 am

Wow Marf...I am so sorry for what you are faced with. Have you considered just getting a simple DNA test done? Heck, here in the states you can pick one up at the local grocery store and you swab and send away to a lab. That would give an answer biologically and if it proves he is your bio dad..peace of mind that he doesn't have to take to the grave..not knowing.

I agree with Tesla about all the gray areas of genetic testing..which is a big reason why I turned it down for myself and my kids. We determined my dad had it post mortem based on the criteria..and he died of an aortic dissection. From what I understand there are so many ways to do this test and it can be a hit or miss..

I am sorry your family can be hurt after so many years of something said in anger. I know ALL to well how these things can go..my MIL did it to my FIL and my stepdad's ex wife did it to him..but nothing changes who your dad is..it is the one who was there for you..your entire life. That is something I never had and I envy the blessings you have had in your relationship with your father.

Best of luck with this grappling decisions..your in my heart of prayers.

Hugs, Mel
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Marf on Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:40 pm

My father and I sent away samples for paternity testing. I'm very happy to say the results prove he is indeed my father. :)


This is great news, not only does it help me alot by clearing my mind, but it also shows that I am a spontaneous case. I did not inherit from either parent and the rest of my family can apparently rest a little easier.
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Re: Got my heart stepped on today.

Postby Melissa on Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:00 pm

That is a huge relief..I am so pleased for you!! Now you can put all of it aside as well as your Dad and maybe heal some from all the years he thought you weren't his son. ((hugs))
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